Republicans Ensuring Obama Win in 2012

GOP/Tea Party thinks they have it in the bag, they are sorely mistaken

Its funny, so far, President Obama has actually reaped the benefits of the Pacs/and the Supreme Court saying a Corporation is a Person

So Far, President Obama is ahead by millions compared to the GOP Candidates today,

Its funny how things turn out..The GOP thought that Corporate America was only Republican

Funny

Obama/Biden 2012

Arlene

Obama gets his majority of contributions for the "middle class" WE will prevail

the GOP get it from the "Rich" so it is very clear they don't care about 99% of us

Yes OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!

It's funny, (actually it's sad), but while the SuperPacs are spending millions as the GOP candidates launder money and attack each other, Obama is slowly, but surely raising tens of millions more.....AND SAVING IT. By the time the GOP go to their convention, Obama will have enough money to blanket every media market with ads all day, every day for a month (I'm exaggerating, but not really)....and meanwhile, the GOP is heading to a brokered convention to nominate who? Palin? Jeb Bush, Fat Boy? Rubio?

And if the "establishment" has conceded the 2012 presidential election to focus on the House, they've sure got a funny way to show it, between the debt ceiling debate, Planned Parenthood, Ryan's budget, Issa's "hearings", the payroll tax debate and on and on, who would possibly want them to "lead"? In 13 months, we've been treated to worthless legislation and part-time workers who have shown no intent to listen to the American people or actually do their jobs. But let's keep em right?

Obama hasn't entered campaign mode yet?? He's never been OUT of campaign mode. That's why he's been such a completely ineffective President who hasn't done his job at all.

Nobody got anything from Obama. NOBODY.

The Latinos voted for Obama because they wanted the DREAM ACT passed. Did they get it? NOPE! Why not? Because Obama never got out of campaign mode long enough to do anything about it.

Blacks voted for Obama because they wanted equality and an end to racism. Did they get it? NOPE! In fact, Blacks have had it worse than ever under Obama with an incarceration rate of 1 in 9 Black Men and an unemployment rate more than DOUBLE that of Whites.

Women were promised equal pay for equal work by Obama. Did they get it? NOPE! Why not? Because Obama never got out of campaign mode long enough to keep that promise either.

Obama promised the Unemployment rate would never rise above 8%. It's never been BELOW 8% in his entire useless bungling Presidency. The man promised if he got his damned stupid and ill-advised bailout plan for his rich union pals that the economy would be all rosy. What a crock that was.

Obama's one crowning achievement was his ignorant "health care reform" to fix the problem of 43 Million Americans uninsured. He sure fixed that! Now there are 55 Million Americans uninsured. Obama MADE THE PROBLEM WORSE.

There is no problem America had which Obama either never addressed or didn't make worse.

Obama said he was against illegal wars and then sent armed troops into Pakistan, and bombed the crap out of Libya, both with zero authorization from Congress and no declaration of war for those acts of war.

Obama said he was against the Bush Tax Cut but when they expired in 2010, his hand was on the pen extending them. That really ticked off the folks who hate tax cuts for the wealthy.

Obama's biggest opponent in 2012 is Obama himself, because if he gets the thanks he deserves for the job he's done, then he won't be able to win an election for dog catcher.

"Republicans Voted To Block James Zadroga 9/11 Health & Compensation Act, Until Tax Cuts For Millionaires Were Secured"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/22/930713/-Vote-today-on-9-11-health-care-bill-will-Republicans-block-it-

follow the money

That is what they are good at. Blocking

President Obama is a good chess player with the Repubs

Obama will win

President Obama is a good chess player with the Repubs

Only thing is the Repubs aren't playing chess, they're playing marbles without a full deck.

President Obama is a good chess player with the Repubs

Obama will win

Obama's problem isn't Republicans. It's Democrats. His ability to get Democrats to agree with him as a cohesive unit is rather like watching somebody trying to herd cats. This is one of many reasons why Obama has been so easily stymied by Republicans, even when the Democrats held both the House and the Senate.

In order to understand why Obama cannot get legislation as simple as an actual budget passed by Congress, one needs to understand just what the Democratic Party really is.

The Democratic Party consists of a loose alliance of special interest groups allied under one banner to gain political strength they cannot achieve individually.

This is why Democratic candidates rely on the minority voter, the environmentalist voter, the feminist voter, the welfare voter, the union voter, the illegal alien voter, the pot legalization voter and the homosexual voter.

Obama's problem with keeping cohesion among such a diverse collection of special interests is that those interests expect to be rewarded with getting thrown a bone or two, and Obama hasn't been much of a bone-thrower.

Obama hasn't done anything for the minority voter. He actually got a nasty-gram from the Congressional Black Caucus for his failure to do anything about rampant minority unemployment, and Obama's flippant answer to that was he's the President of all Americans. No bone thrown there.

Obama hasn't done anything for the illegal alien voter either. He promised to ramrod through the DREAM ACT for a path to citizenship, and he made a lousy half-hearted effort during a cold December lame duck session of congress. Of course it failed. No bone thrown there.

Obama hasn't done anything for the gay voter. When asked about their pet issue of Federal recognition of gay marriage, Obama flat out said that he believed marriage is between a man and a woman. Yikes! Sounds like a Republican! No bone thrown there.

Obama hasn't done anything for the environmentalists either. In fact, Obama effectively muzzled the EPA last year on smog standards. No bone thrown their way.

Obama dissed a welfare program as well, cutting the LIHEAP (Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program) budget last year. Way to freeze granny to death, Obama! The only bones there are the cold bones in freezing old folks.

The reason Democrats lost so badly in 2010 was because Obama hasn't thrown any of the special interest groups enough bones to keep those dogs on the porch, and so they're not going to stick around when it comes time to reward Obama with a second term. Obama's a rank amateur at Democrat politics and he played the game all wrong.

He got the black vote.

Obama's a rank amateur at Democrat politics and he played the game all wrong.

Better pray you dont meet him on a good day in that case - in 2008 GOP got its worst kicking in living memory.,.... thats playing the game wrong rofl :)

Same ol same ol as was tripped out in the 2008 campaign .... didnt work then will not work now because negative campaigning fails miserably. By August in the 2008 campaign Independents had already done a runner from this kind of sillyness, sick of dribble like this nonesense.

Only dummies do the same thing over and over in the delusion it will turn out differently next time.... unreal.

I will ask the same question I have asked of everyone who claims that Obama will lose: If that were to happen, to whom would he lose, and exactly why?

What policies are any of the Republican candidates putting forth that will help the economy and the middle-class, and why will moderate American voters, which are most of them, choose that candidate over Obama?

(Hint: It's not about why Obama sucks, it's about why the other candidates are -better-.)

I'm still waiting for any sort of answer from anyone on the right.

Silvaria....and you'll be waiting for a while til they can come up with a good and catchy sounding talking point. I think Mitt tried one out last week when the positive report came out about the unemployment claims. Mitt said he could have gotten those numbers down faster or something to that affect. So the repubs have given up on the economy and the foreign policy talking points, so they have to call back in spinmaster Frank Luntz. Do they not know that they all sound like stuck in the mud negative nellies actually wishing for the worst just to defeat Obama? We can hear you all and it's a damn shame!!!

an improving economy...... there goes the only reason for Romney's candidacy.

a foreign policy that would be envied by every republican in this country if it was theirs.......not good for any of the candidates on the GOP side.

a war against more than half the population...... not good for Santorum or Gingrich

an increasing need for adults to run the country....... a death knell for republicans in 2012 while their candidates go off the deep end of crazy

a tea party that makes fascists look liberal........enough said.

I will ask the same question I have asked of everyone who claims that Obama will lose: If that were to happen, to whom would he lose, and exactly why?

Obama will lose the same way that Al Gore lost in 2000, to the Green Party. Ralph Nader took enough votes away from the Democrats to allow W. Bush to squeak out a win.

This election, the Green Party has another celebrity candidate in Roseanne Barr and while she probably cannot win any actual election, the votes she pulls will not be coming from Republicans. That means the Democratic voters will be the ones pulled away and Obama will be facing an internal civil war among liberals. Roseanne attracts feminists, environmentalists and the GLBT voters (lesbian sister, gay brother). She's sucking the wind right out of Obama's sails.

What policies are any of the Republican candidates putting forth that will help the economy and the middle-class, and why will moderate American voters, which are most of them, choose that candidate over Obama?

That's easy. Smaller government and austerity measures will help the economy. The biggest drag on the economy today is the US Federal Government borrowing $1.2 Trillion per year, money which cannot be used by private enterprise because the greedy gut Federal government is sucking up every buck available to the free market for its own nefarious purposes. Slash government spending and there will be enough money left for people to build businesses with instead of building more useless government.

(Hint: It's not about why Obama sucks, it's about why the other candidates are -better-.)

Our best Presidents have never been lawyers. Obama is a crummy liberal lawyer, and that's not the change America needs. Every time the Democrats throw somebody at the White House, it's another goofball lawyer. Clinton was a lawyer, Gore was a lawyer and Kerry was a lawyer. So now we get another lawyer in Obama, just what we do NOT need.

Mitt Romney is actually a businessman, not a lawyer. Why would you hire a lawyer to fix the economy when you've got a businessman who actually knows economics?

Newt Gingrich is a history teacher, a person who knows history like the back of his hand and knows what works for economies not just now but in the past as well. Why would you hire a lawyer to fix the economy when you've got a certifiable historian with all that knowledge?

Rick Santorum holds an MBA, a Master of Business Arts. The man knows business, knows economic theory and practice, and knows how things work in the real world. With a man like that, why would you hire a lawyer to fix an unemployment problem and a stubbornly stuck economy?

I've never once voted for a lawyer for President in my entire life. I have no use for lawyers in the White House because nothing is more useless than a lawyer in the Oval Office. They're not good leaders, they're just trained mouthpieces who have never lived in the real world and never held a real job.

What Silvaria said. Voted up.

BTW -

Republicans Insuring Obama Win in 2012

I believe you meant - Republicans Ensuring Obama Win in 2012

menegene

Private Enterprise right now has MORE THAN ENOUGH money to invest, the federal government isn't taking anything from it. The only problem is that nobody wants to invest in the US. Your argument works fine in Austrian Economics thinking but it has NO bearing in modern economics.

You need to take a few lessons on economics that weren't created in the late 1800's.

As for the MBA, so what, I have an MBA too and can pretty much say that Santorum hasn't said ANYTHING that would indicate that he has more than a high school economics credit.

Yeah, I did, Thanks for the heads up Jack, correction made.

Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

It bugs me when people continuously continually use the wrong word. :) /sarc

fair points for sure!

But I'd say before Palin entered the picture, McCain was a credible and tough candidate who also came from behind in his own party to get the nomination. Throughout 2008, I think we all thought that was going to be a close run-up to the election.

This time, to me it's not that Obama's so great, but none of the GOP candidates are credible in anything remotely close to the same way McCain was.It's a pretty sorry list of candidates. And fortunately for Obama, he just has to be good and on that level I think he'll be good enough.

The only way I can see the GOP pulling this off is to have a brokered convention and pull someone out we've barely heard of before. And - hope they were a bit better vetted than Palin was.

BTW I remember the 1980 election. My memory is most of the country saw Carter as DOA with Reagan in more than a year before November. Obama can clearly be happy he's not running against someone like that. Reagan almost won against Ford in 1976 and would have beat Carter then without all the Nixon pardoning baggage Ford had. 1980 was nearly pre-ordained.

Last note - I'm 100% certain Obama's not taking this for granted. I'm imagining that certainly after the DNC, he'll be in full campaign mode and we know from last election he's really good at it.

BTW I remember the 1980 election. My memory is most of the country saw Carter as DOA with Reagan in more than a year before November.

Maybe that was the case where you lived at the time but the wasn't the case in the northeast Unfortunately Obama no longer controls the forces that can turn this election on a dime. For this reason I still think anyone of the current candidates has a reasonable chance of beating Obama.

The only way I can see the GOP pulling this off is to have a brokered convention and pull someone out we've barely heard of before. And - hope they were a bit better vetted than Palin was.

I don't believe that can happen. Their own party rules won't allow it.

At the time I lived near Boston - and of course Massachusetts then and now was more liberal. We were proud of not voting for Nixon along with DC (don't blame us we're from Massachusetts)

But - we could still see how it was going around the rest of the country and saw the writing on the wall. We knew Reagan was coming.

On the RNC convention rules - yes you're right it can't happen. But gosh to me these are really really bad candidates! I just can't picture it.

I especially hope the Dems aren't overconfident on the Congressional races. I'm seeing a lot of that here on the Vine and I don't know what justifies it.

Remember '08: McCain was well ahead of Obama by 6-8 points until the financial crisis hit in September and Obama caught the break he needed.

Thats not how it happened...Obama was on top since he was nominated in May '08 with few exceptions...The crap economy was no lucky break more than McCains oddball performance and his final coffin nail ...choosing Palin Just sayin is all.

7 and a half months to go, republicans have no clear cut candidate, if Romney loses michigan a senior republican senator said they would have to pick a new candidate in the Primary... Santorum wouldn't have a chance in hell the republican establishment knows that, but I would love to see him try...R$omney might have a sliver of a chance only if the economy goes south and quickly...his negatives are growing everytime he speaks....Both of them could only dream of an iota of Reagans Personality.

While it would be foolish to say its in the bag for President Obama as I heard it was in the bag for McCain in '08...It couldn't look much better considering most the repercussions of economic collapse in the last 3 months of 08 were not felt mostly After Obama

I never heard it was in the bag for McCain or for Obama - it seemed to me it was a good close race until McCain shot himself picking Palin. McCain is pretty moderate for a Republican and had the strength of superior experience - his biggest negative for voters by far was his age.

Seriously to me, any of the current crop of GOP front runners isn't even remotely close to as credible as McCain was.

I think mccain shot himself when he comes out, in the middle of the biggest financial debacle of our lifetimes, and says, 'I never really cared much for economics'. Now that is just idiocy.

I think mccain shot himself when he comes out, in the middle of the biggest financial debacle of our lifetimes, and says, 'I never really cared much for economics'. Now that is just idiocy.

Obama more than likely never opened an economics book either.

Obama seems to understand more about it than what McCain ever did, but the issue wasn't that McCain never opened up an economics book, but that he NEVER CARED FOR IT.

lamplighter,

Even IF Obama didn't know much/anything about economics in 2008, he had the intelligence to not say it like McCain. He also had the intelligence to surround himself with the right people (unlike McCain and Phil Grahamm), and for a clueless person, he's sure done a damn fine job turning things around with relatively textbook economic policies.

...he's sure done a damn fine job turning things around with relatively textbook economic policies.

He's been damned lucky that things haven't gotten even worse.

You're right, we COULD have had the Republicans in charge because that's working out so well at the state level and they did such a bang-up job the last time we let them run the show.

Enlighten us - what was the last GOP economic policy that worked to reduce debt, create jobs and lead to high GDP growth?

Enlighten us - what was the last GOP economic policy that worked to reduce debt, create jobs and lead to high GDP growth?

The 104th Congress.

what POLICY?

what POLICY?

Contract with America.

Um.....really? And what about that did the things I mentioned? (can you possibly come up with a response longer than 3 words) - how did the "contract" create jobs, lower debt and grow the GDP? Please point to SPECIFICS.

Here's some info on said "contract"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

Note that a good portion of the "contract" never passed Congress and others were vetoed by Clinton.

But I'm sure you knew that right?

Wow Wikipedia. What an awesome resource and final word on any topic. But you already knew that right?

The robust economy so often associated with the Clinton years would not have been possible without the 104th Congress.

Color me shocked that you have NOTHING - I asked YOU to explain how the "contract" did those things for the economy, the burden is on YOU. Attacking my "source", simply referencing what the "contract" was and when it was does not negate your inability to list specific POLICIES.

But let's assume for one second that the "contract" was a good policy, (I and many others would argue that it was rhetorical nonsense and again, most of the "points" never became law) that was 1995 - are you admitting that the GOP hasn't done anything positive for the economy since then? Even holding the House from 1995-2007, the White House from 2001-2009 and the Senate from 1995-2001, then again from 2003-2007, the only thing you can point to is legislation from 1995?

If the "robust economy" of the later 90s would not have been possible without the 104th Congress, surely you can point to specific reasons how and why the GOP made it possible.

...surely you can point to specific reasons how and why the GOP made it possible.

And don't call me "Shirley".

lame.....(and yes, I get the reference).

Yep. It was a good line from a good movie.

MJL : um what are you talking about....

brenda,

she is saying that the GOP really does know how screwed up things are and that they don't really have any ideas on how to fix things, so the GOP is taking the strategy of not really offering up any serious candidates so that the GOP can stay in behind the scenes just vilifying what the democrats to, without ever having to do anything that puts them in the position of accountability.

It's crazy to think the Republicans are willing to concede 2012 and let the Dems have control of a 14 trillion dollar budget for the next years.

The American people are getting their ass kicked by the government. If you consider that dems and repubs are actually working together to keep the public inflamed and divided it is a plan that is working very well. Because the people are not united against the government they are divided against each other it's a perfect climate for a dictatorship.

I'll agree to agree with that. You got MY vote.

Hey Gray: and obama is the answer................Lord help us. And you aint got my vote.

formerstew: and what does that say about your good bud obama.

dnftt

samenslow....Yea, we can bet that they repubs will throw out some non-issue to bring out all their crazies to vote for sure. Not to mention all the voter suppression bills they are trying to pass before the November voting. Yep, if they can't win on real issues and policies that concern the American people, just make some sh!t up to rally their side as we see with this birth control crap.

Ah yes, the irony of it all. But not what YOU think. You pretty much sum up the problems to me.

Lola,

My thoughts exactly.....some people simply can't help but cling to their delusions.

dnftt

Please explain how the GOP "clowns" are "far superior" and how this President is weak.....While you're at it, you might want to do a little digging about past presidents' relationship with the Saudi king.....I suggest you look at the 41st and 43rd president in particular.

BUT, if your complaint about the president boils down to the fact that black people will vote for him (because, ya know, the GOP has done so much to encourage diversity in THEIR party, and have really courted the black vote....), and that he showed respect to a foreign royal, then I guess you're going to be really sad come November.

I asked which president ever bowed down to a saudi king and kissed his hand..... Hillary Clinton was dissed when she ran for the presidency. She was far far superior to obama. So whose vote did he count on. The GOP contenders are not clown but those who want to try and fix america. Maybe you dont get it.

dnftt

I see mike....this one's a winner.

webslinger ol' buddy, mike has nasal problems and you didnt answer the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKWAv-6WEA

webslinger ol' buddy, mike has nasal problems and you didnt answer the question.

lol, dnftt

They sure are out in force aren't they?....it just goes to show you that they really have no argument.

Out of curiosity, who will your kids vote for this time.

Ron Paul...

well ron paul talks sense but I like romney. he really wants the us to be the way it was but I doubt that will ever happen. I still say anyone but obama.